1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,630 the last ssm test 2 00:00:06,630 --> 00:00:06,640 the last ssm test 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,270 the last ssm test it was real stressful i remember going 4 00:00:09,270 --> 00:00:09,280 it was real stressful i remember going 5 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:10,790 it was real stressful i remember going to sleep that night about nine o'clock 6 00:00:10,790 --> 00:00:10,800 to sleep that night about nine o'clock 7 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,549 to sleep that night about nine o'clock so i could usually i test we'd get in 8 00:00:12,549 --> 00:00:12,559 so i could usually i test we'd get in 9 00:00:12,559 --> 00:00:14,150 so i could usually i test we'd get in about five in the morning we'd test 10 00:00:14,150 --> 00:00:14,160 about five in the morning we'd test 11 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:15,589 about five in the morning we'd test around two o'clock 12 00:00:15,589 --> 00:00:15,599 around two o'clock 13 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:17,109 around two o'clock that night i went to sleep about nine 14 00:00:17,109 --> 00:00:17,119 that night i went to sleep about nine 15 00:00:17,119 --> 00:00:18,950 that night i went to sleep about nine woke up about one 16 00:00:18,950 --> 00:00:18,960 woke up about one 17 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,510 woke up about one couldn't go back to sleep got to work 18 00:00:21,510 --> 00:00:21,520 couldn't go back to sleep got to work 19 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:22,790 couldn't go back to sleep got to work about three in the morning 20 00:00:22,790 --> 00:00:22,800 about three in the morning 21 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,470 about three in the morning security guard mike who's been knowing 22 00:00:24,470 --> 00:00:24,480 security guard mike who's been knowing 23 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,150 security guard mike who's been knowing me for years 24 00:00:26,150 --> 00:00:26,160 me for years 25 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,310 me for years asked me cory what are you doing out 26 00:00:28,310 --> 00:00:28,320 asked me cory what are you doing out 27 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,310 asked me cory what are you doing out here i said i couldn't sleep 28 00:00:30,310 --> 00:00:30,320 here i said i couldn't sleep 29 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,069 here i said i couldn't sleep he says i got that test today huh i said 30 00:00:32,069 --> 00:00:32,079 he says i got that test today huh i said 31 00:00:32,079 --> 00:00:34,709 he says i got that test today huh i said yeah so he says well go on in 32 00:00:34,709 --> 00:00:34,719 yeah so he says well go on in 33 00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:37,830 yeah so he says well go on in have fun good luck tess went great 34 00:00:37,830 --> 00:00:37,840 have fun good luck tess went great 35 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,270 have fun good luck tess went great people that showed up that day we was 36 00:00:39,270 --> 00:00:39,280 people that showed up that day we was 37 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,190 people that showed up that day we was dressed all in white shirts 38 00:00:41,190 --> 00:00:41,200 dressed all in white shirts 39 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,790 dressed all in white shirts we looked just like the apollo days we 40 00:00:42,790 --> 00:00:42,800 we looked just like the apollo days we 41 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,630 we looked just like the apollo days we had the little black skinny ties 42 00:00:44,630 --> 00:00:44,640 had the little black skinny ties 43 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,709 had the little black skinny ties we had black framed glasses we had the 44 00:00:46,709 --> 00:00:46,719 we had black framed glasses we had the 45 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:47,830 we had black framed glasses we had the um 46 00:00:47,830 --> 00:00:47,840 um 47 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,630 um pocket protectors on so it was it was 48 00:00:50,630 --> 00:00:50,640 pocket protectors on so it was it was 49 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,310 pocket protectors on so it was it was exciting but it was actually sad because 50 00:00:52,310 --> 00:00:52,320 exciting but it was actually sad because 51 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:53,830 exciting but it was actually sad because everybody knew it was the last test out 52 00:00:53,830 --> 00:00:53,840 everybody knew it was the last test out 53 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:54,709 everybody knew it was the last test out here 54 00:00:54,709 --> 00:00:54,719 here 55 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:56,310 here and you know everybody was remembering 56 00:00:56,310 --> 00:00:56,320 and you know everybody was remembering 57 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,389 and you know everybody was remembering the people at the head that had trained 58 00:00:58,389 --> 00:00:58,399 the people at the head that had trained 59 00:00:58,399 --> 00:00:59,590 the people at the head that had trained them through the years 60 00:00:59,590 --> 00:00:59,600 them through the years 61 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,670 them through the years and had retired and some of them you 62 00:01:01,670 --> 00:01:01,680 and had retired and some of them you 63 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:02,869 and had retired and some of them you know they were talking to 64 00:01:02,869 --> 00:01:02,879 know they were talking to 65 00:01:02,879 --> 00:01:04,869 know they were talking to and just you know we had people from 66 00:01:04,869 --> 00:01:04,879 and just you know we had people from 67 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:06,789 and just you know we had people from canoga pratt whitney 68 00:01:06,789 --> 00:01:06,799 canoga pratt whitney 69 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:09,429 canoga pratt whitney from headquarters everywhere it was just 70 00:01:09,429 --> 00:01:09,439 from headquarters everywhere it was just 71 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:11,270 from headquarters everywhere it was just an awesome experience and i'm really 72 00:01:11,270 --> 00:01:11,280 an awesome experience and i'm really 73 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,030 an awesome experience and i'm really actually blessed that i was able to 74 00:01:13,030 --> 00:01:13,040 actually blessed that i was able to 75 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,350 actually blessed that i was able to actually 76 00:01:15,350 --> 00:01:15,360 actually 77 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,149 actually have some history and and test you know 78 00:01:18,149 --> 00:01:18,159 have some history and and test you know 79 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:39,990 have some history and and test you know the space shuttle main engine out here 80 00:01:39,990 --> 00:01:40,000 81 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,590 i started working here for ssme 82 00:01:43,590 --> 00:01:43,600 i started working here for ssme 83 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,270 i started working here for ssme around november of 2001 and 84 00:01:47,270 --> 00:01:47,280 around november of 2001 and 85 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,190 around november of 2001 and if i can remember my most fondest 86 00:01:49,190 --> 00:01:49,200 if i can remember my most fondest 87 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,030 if i can remember my most fondest memories i have to say 88 00:01:51,030 --> 00:01:51,040 memories i have to say 89 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,910 memories i have to say every shuttle launch pretty much being 90 00:01:53,910 --> 00:01:53,920 every shuttle launch pretty much being 91 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,749 every shuttle launch pretty much being in the control room 92 00:01:55,749 --> 00:01:55,759 in the control room 93 00:01:55,759 --> 00:01:59,670 in the control room just watching the engines light up 94 00:01:59,670 --> 00:01:59,680 just watching the engines light up 95 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,469 just watching the engines light up and everybody's waiting for them to turn 96 00:02:02,469 --> 00:02:02,479 and everybody's waiting for them to turn 97 00:02:02,479 --> 00:02:03,830 and everybody's waiting for them to turn off 98 00:02:03,830 --> 00:02:03,840 off 99 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,069 off once they're turning off the the room 100 00:02:06,069 --> 00:02:06,079 once they're turning off the the room 101 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:08,389 once they're turning off the the room pretty much go into chairs because 102 00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:08,399 pretty much go into chairs because 103 00:02:08,399 --> 00:02:11,190 pretty much go into chairs because we know that once we like the engines 104 00:02:11,190 --> 00:02:11,200 we know that once we like the engines 105 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:12,070 we know that once we like the engines and turn them off 106 00:02:12,070 --> 00:02:12,080 and turn them off 107 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,190 and turn them off there's a good chance that we're going 108 00:02:13,190 --> 00:02:13,200 there's a good chance that we're going 109 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,190 there's a good chance that we're going to have a successful mission 110 00:02:15,190 --> 00:02:15,200 to have a successful mission 111 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,750 to have a successful mission there was one launch that i actually 112 00:02:17,750 --> 00:02:17,760 there was one launch that i actually 113 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:18,949 there was one launch that i actually went to ksc 114 00:02:18,949 --> 00:02:18,959 went to ksc 115 00:02:18,959 --> 00:02:22,150 went to ksc for and i was observing all the 116 00:02:22,150 --> 00:02:22,160 for and i was observing all the 117 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:23,589 for and i was observing all the operations in with 118 00:02:23,589 --> 00:02:23,599 operations in with 119 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:26,710 operations in with the stack that's where the ssme 120 00:02:26,710 --> 00:02:26,720 the stack that's where the ssme 121 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,790 the stack that's where the ssme team sets at for each shuttle launch at 122 00:02:28,790 --> 00:02:28,800 team sets at for each shuttle launch at 123 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:29,910 team sets at for each shuttle launch at ksc 124 00:02:29,910 --> 00:02:29,920 ksc 125 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:33,030 ksc and i actually went out just minutes 126 00:02:33,030 --> 00:02:33,040 and i actually went out just minutes 127 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,229 and i actually went out just minutes before 128 00:02:34,229 --> 00:02:34,239 before 129 00:02:34,239 --> 00:02:36,390 before before we launched the shuttle and i 130 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:36,400 before we launched the shuttle and i 131 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:37,670 before we launched the shuttle and i that was my first 132 00:02:37,670 --> 00:02:37,680 that was my first 133 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,430 that was my first live shuttle launch that i have ever 134 00:02:39,430 --> 00:02:39,440 live shuttle launch that i have ever 135 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,390 live shuttle launch that i have ever seen it was very impressive 136 00:02:42,390 --> 00:02:42,400 seen it was very impressive 137 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,430 seen it was very impressive since then i have seen one more and i'm 138 00:02:45,430 --> 00:02:45,440 since then i have seen one more and i'm 139 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:46,229 since then i have seen one more and i'm hoping to see 140 00:02:46,229 --> 00:02:46,239 hoping to see 141 00:02:46,239 --> 00:03:06,869 hoping to see plenty more in the future 142 00:03:06,869 --> 00:03:06,879 143 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:09,270 years ago i met my wife here at 144 00:03:09,270 --> 00:03:09,280 years ago i met my wife here at 145 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,030 years ago i met my wife here at rocketdyne 146 00:03:11,030 --> 00:03:11,040 rocketdyne 147 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,270 rocketdyne shortly after we were married we had the 148 00:03:15,270 --> 00:03:15,280 shortly after we were married we had the 149 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,190 shortly after we were married we had the good fortune to go to kennedy space 150 00:03:17,190 --> 00:03:17,200 good fortune to go to kennedy space 151 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,030 good fortune to go to kennedy space center for a launch 152 00:03:19,030 --> 00:03:19,040 center for a launch 153 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,990 center for a launch and because she was an employee on some 154 00:03:21,990 --> 00:03:22,000 and because she was an employee on some 155 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,430 and because she was an employee on some of our free time 156 00:03:23,430 --> 00:03:23,440 of our free time 157 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,309 of our free time she was also badged in and we could go 158 00:03:26,309 --> 00:03:26,319 she was also badged in and we could go 159 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:27,430 she was also badged in and we could go to her around 160 00:03:27,430 --> 00:03:27,440 to her around 161 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,110 to her around a couple of days before the launch were 162 00:03:29,110 --> 00:03:29,120 a couple of days before the launch were 163 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,110 a couple of days before the launch were added launch pad 164 00:03:31,110 --> 00:03:31,120 added launch pad 165 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:32,949 added launch pad our platforms giving us access to the 166 00:03:32,949 --> 00:03:32,959 our platforms giving us access to the 167 00:03:32,959 --> 00:03:35,110 our platforms giving us access to the engines were still in place 168 00:03:35,110 --> 00:03:35,120 engines were still in place 169 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,750 engines were still in place and we're standing out there sea breeze 170 00:03:37,750 --> 00:03:37,760 and we're standing out there sea breeze 171 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,830 and we're standing out there sea breeze coming in 172 00:03:39,830 --> 00:03:39,840 coming in 173 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,990 coming in our heads actually up in one of the 174 00:03:41,990 --> 00:03:42,000 our heads actually up in one of the 175 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,350 our heads actually up in one of the nozzles 176 00:03:43,350 --> 00:03:43,360 nozzles 177 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,149 nozzles and of course i reached over and touched 178 00:03:46,149 --> 00:03:46,159 and of course i reached over and touched 179 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:47,589 and of course i reached over and touched the back of her head and she thought i 180 00:03:47,589 --> 00:03:47,599 the back of her head and she thought i 181 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:48,309 the back of her head and she thought i was 182 00:03:48,309 --> 00:03:48,319 was 183 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:50,550 was being romantic and i had to spoil the 184 00:03:50,550 --> 00:03:50,560 being romantic and i had to spoil the 185 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:51,430 being romantic and i had to spoil the mood by 186 00:03:51,430 --> 00:03:51,440 mood by 187 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:52,710 mood by telling her i didn't want her hair to 188 00:03:52,710 --> 00:03:52,720 telling her i didn't want her hair to 189 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,869 telling her i didn't want her hair to blow into the nozzle and 190 00:03:54,869 --> 00:03:54,879 blow into the nozzle and 191 00:03:54,879 --> 00:04:18,390 blow into the nozzle and provide any kind of contamination 192 00:04:18,390 --> 00:04:18,400 193 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,469 one particular memory that stands out 194 00:04:20,469 --> 00:04:20,479 one particular memory that stands out 195 00:04:20,479 --> 00:04:21,990 one particular memory that stands out for me working on the space shuttle 196 00:04:21,990 --> 00:04:22,000 for me working on the space shuttle 197 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,030 for me working on the space shuttle program 198 00:04:23,030 --> 00:04:23,040 program 199 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,430 program is doing the routine post-test 200 00:04:25,430 --> 00:04:25,440 is doing the routine post-test 201 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:26,710 is doing the routine post-test inspections that 202 00:04:26,710 --> 00:04:26,720 inspections that 203 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,469 inspections that i was learning my first few years here 204 00:04:28,469 --> 00:04:28,479 i was learning my first few years here 205 00:04:28,479 --> 00:04:30,469 i was learning my first few years here is turbo machinery 206 00:04:30,469 --> 00:04:30,479 is turbo machinery 207 00:04:30,479 --> 00:04:33,430 is turbo machinery there was one particular pump we were 208 00:04:33,430 --> 00:04:33,440 there was one particular pump we were 209 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,790 there was one particular pump we were doing our final 210 00:04:34,790 --> 00:04:34,800 doing our final 211 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,870 doing our final inspections on it was completed 212 00:04:36,870 --> 00:04:36,880 inspections on it was completed 213 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,550 inspections on it was completed acceptance test and was ready to be 214 00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:38,560 acceptance test and was ready to be 215 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:39,990 acceptance test and was ready to be going to florida 216 00:04:39,990 --> 00:04:40,000 going to florida 217 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,070 going to florida and during that routine inspection i 218 00:04:42,070 --> 00:04:42,080 and during that routine inspection i 219 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,590 and during that routine inspection i noticed something unusual that i had 220 00:04:43,590 --> 00:04:43,600 noticed something unusual that i had 221 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,350 noticed something unusual that i had never seen before 222 00:04:45,350 --> 00:04:45,360 never seen before 223 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,990 never seen before and uh it looked like a metallic 224 00:04:47,990 --> 00:04:48,000 and uh it looked like a metallic 225 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,230 and uh it looked like a metallic contamination behind the turbine 226 00:04:50,230 --> 00:04:50,240 contamination behind the turbine 227 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,230 contamination behind the turbine when i talked to the more experienced 228 00:04:52,230 --> 00:04:52,240 when i talked to the more experienced 229 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:53,990 when i talked to the more experienced engineers about it and we realized what 230 00:04:53,990 --> 00:04:54,000 engineers about it and we realized what 231 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,990 engineers about it and we realized what was going on it actually 232 00:04:55,990 --> 00:04:56,000 was going on it actually 233 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,310 was going on it actually started an investigation understanding 234 00:04:58,310 --> 00:04:58,320 started an investigation understanding 235 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,310 started an investigation understanding why this was in here and we ended up 236 00:05:00,310 --> 00:05:00,320 why this was in here and we ended up 237 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,629 why this was in here and we ended up having to send the pump back 238 00:05:02,629 --> 00:05:02,639 having to send the pump back 239 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:06,150 having to send the pump back for disassembly and for me it was 240 00:05:06,150 --> 00:05:06,160 for disassembly and for me it was 241 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,350 for disassembly and for me it was a really a lesson that even a routine 242 00:05:09,350 --> 00:05:09,360 a really a lesson that even a routine 243 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,990 a really a lesson that even a routine inspection will find something that's 244 00:05:11,990 --> 00:05:12,000 inspection will find something that's 245 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,070 inspection will find something that's of significant importance to the program 246 00:05:14,070 --> 00:05:14,080 of significant importance to the program 247 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,670 of significant importance to the program and that was really the first time i 248 00:05:15,670 --> 00:05:15,680 and that was really the first time i 249 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:16,710 and that was really the first time i felt like 250 00:05:16,710 --> 00:05:16,720 felt like 251 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,629 felt like i had directly contributed to the 252 00:05:18,629 --> 00:05:18,639 i had directly contributed to the 253 00:05:18,639 --> 00:05:20,629 i had directly contributed to the success of the program and it was 254 00:05:20,629 --> 00:05:20,639 success of the program and it was 255 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:22,550 success of the program and it was a day that that will stand out in my 256 00:05:22,550 --> 00:05:22,560 a day that that will stand out in my 257 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:42,790 a day that that will stand out in my memory for a very long time 258 00:05:42,790 --> 00:05:42,800 259 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,350 i was fortunate enough to hire in up at 260 00:05:45,350 --> 00:05:45,360 i was fortunate enough to hire in up at 261 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:46,310 i was fortunate enough to hire in up at mississippi 262 00:05:46,310 --> 00:05:46,320 mississippi 263 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,830 mississippi and they were in dire need of a computer 264 00:05:50,830 --> 00:05:50,840 265 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:54,870 engineer i came out there in 1977 in the 266 00:05:54,870 --> 00:05:54,880 engineer i came out there in 1977 in the 267 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:55,510 engineer i came out there in 1977 in the summer 268 00:05:55,510 --> 00:05:55,520 summer 269 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,230 summer in the fall and and came to work on a 270 00:05:58,230 --> 00:05:58,240 in the fall and and came to work on a 271 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,070 in the fall and and came to work on a computer system because it 272 00:06:00,070 --> 00:06:00,080 computer system because it 273 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,469 computer system because it had been down for three weeks and and 274 00:06:02,469 --> 00:06:02,479 had been down for three weeks and and 275 00:06:02,479 --> 00:06:04,710 had been down for three weeks and and they couldn't test the shuttle tanks 276 00:06:04,710 --> 00:06:04,720 they couldn't test the shuttle tanks 277 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,110 they couldn't test the shuttle tanks with the liquid level sensors marv 278 00:06:07,110 --> 00:06:07,120 with the liquid level sensors marv 279 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,430 with the liquid level sensors marv carpenter was the engineering manager at 280 00:06:09,430 --> 00:06:09,440 carpenter was the engineering manager at 281 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:10,550 carpenter was the engineering manager at that time 282 00:06:10,550 --> 00:06:10,560 that time 283 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,749 that time said that i was i got asked how long it 284 00:06:13,749 --> 00:06:13,759 said that i was i got asked how long it 285 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:15,270 said that i was i got asked how long it would take to get the system up and 286 00:06:15,270 --> 00:06:15,280 would take to get the system up and 287 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:17,110 would take to get the system up and running if i had an estimate and i told 288 00:06:17,110 --> 00:06:17,120 running if i had an estimate and i told 289 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,070 running if i had an estimate and i told him i didn't have 290 00:06:18,070 --> 00:06:18,080 him i didn't have 291 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,790 him i didn't have didn't bring a lunch so i expected i 292 00:06:20,790 --> 00:06:20,800 didn't bring a lunch so i expected i 293 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,550 didn't bring a lunch so i expected i would get it in and it was up in about 294 00:06:22,550 --> 00:06:22,560 would get it in and it was up in about 295 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,029 would get it in and it was up in about an hour and he said 296 00:06:25,029 --> 00:06:25,039 an hour and he said 297 00:06:25,039 --> 00:06:26,629 an hour and he said you're probably one of the smartest 298 00:06:26,629 --> 00:06:26,639 you're probably one of the smartest 299 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:28,790 you're probably one of the smartest engineers i've ever met 300 00:06:28,790 --> 00:06:28,800 engineers i've ever met 301 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,870 engineers i've ever met very fortunate the only thing i knew was 302 00:06:30,870 --> 00:06:30,880 very fortunate the only thing i knew was 303 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,629 very fortunate the only thing i knew was it happened to be that particular 304 00:06:32,629 --> 00:06:32,639 it happened to be that particular 305 00:06:32,639 --> 00:06:34,150 it happened to be that particular computer but 306 00:06:34,150 --> 00:06:34,160 computer but 307 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,230 computer but about a week later marv called me and he 308 00:06:36,230 --> 00:06:36,240 about a week later marv called me and he 309 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,830 about a week later marv called me and he says would you interested in going to 310 00:06:37,830 --> 00:06:37,840 says would you interested in going to 311 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:38,870 says would you interested in going to work for 312 00:06:38,870 --> 00:06:38,880 work for 313 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,830 work for rocketdyne and i says that'd be great 314 00:06:41,830 --> 00:06:41,840 rocketdyne and i says that'd be great 315 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:43,189 rocketdyne and i says that'd be great and he says well 316 00:06:43,189 --> 00:06:43,199 and he says well 317 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:44,710 and he says well what would it take and i said i don't 318 00:06:44,710 --> 00:06:44,720 what would it take and i said i don't 319 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,590 what would it take and i said i don't know what is your smartest guy now again 320 00:06:47,590 --> 00:06:47,600 know what is your smartest guy now again 321 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,430 know what is your smartest guy now again so i happened to be looking at plowden 322 00:06:49,430 --> 00:06:49,440 so i happened to be looking at plowden 323 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,430 so i happened to be looking at plowden was a test conductor and i hired him as 324 00:06:51,430 --> 00:06:51,440 was a test conductor and i hired him as 325 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,830 was a test conductor and i hired him as an mts4 that day and that's been a great 326 00:06:53,830 --> 00:06:53,840 an mts4 that day and that's been a great 327 00:06:53,840 --> 00:07:14,950 an mts4 that day and that's been a great life ever since 328 00:07:14,950 --> 00:07:14,960 329 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,870 i guess funny stories when i when i 330 00:07:16,870 --> 00:07:16,880 i guess funny stories when i when i 331 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,150 i guess funny stories when i when i first started out on the team it was 332 00:07:18,150 --> 00:07:18,160 first started out on the team it was 333 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,189 first started out on the team it was pretty new and 334 00:07:19,189 --> 00:07:19,199 pretty new and 335 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:21,029 pretty new and a little bit green to build in the 336 00:07:21,029 --> 00:07:21,039 a little bit green to build in the 337 00:07:21,039 --> 00:07:22,390 a little bit green to build in the hardware i was working with another 338 00:07:22,390 --> 00:07:22,400 hardware i was working with another 339 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:22,950 hardware i was working with another senior 340 00:07:22,950 --> 00:07:22,960 senior 341 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,029 senior manufacturing engineer and it seemed as 342 00:07:25,029 --> 00:07:25,039 manufacturing engineer and it seemed as 343 00:07:25,039 --> 00:07:26,469 manufacturing engineer and it seemed as though every time 344 00:07:26,469 --> 00:07:26,479 though every time 345 00:07:26,479 --> 00:07:28,309 though every time he had taken a day off for vacationing 346 00:07:28,309 --> 00:07:28,319 he had taken a day off for vacationing 347 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:29,830 he had taken a day off for vacationing or was out sick is when all the major 348 00:07:29,830 --> 00:07:29,840 or was out sick is when all the major 349 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,270 or was out sick is when all the major catastrophes happened 350 00:07:31,270 --> 00:07:31,280 catastrophes happened 351 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,950 catastrophes happened we had we had some hardware that was 352 00:07:32,950 --> 00:07:32,960 we had we had some hardware that was 353 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,710 we had we had some hardware that was damaged a few times a duck that flipped 354 00:07:34,710 --> 00:07:34,720 damaged a few times a duck that flipped 355 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:35,990 damaged a few times a duck that flipped in a dolly and i was the one here to 356 00:07:35,990 --> 00:07:36,000 in a dolly and i was the one here to 357 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,110 in a dolly and i was the one here to respond for it and 358 00:07:37,110 --> 00:07:37,120 respond for it and 359 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:38,469 respond for it and really didn't know what to do so i was 360 00:07:38,469 --> 00:07:38,479 really didn't know what to do so i was 361 00:07:38,479 --> 00:07:41,029 really didn't know what to do so i was having to to run around and 362 00:07:41,029 --> 00:07:41,039 having to to run around and 363 00:07:41,039 --> 00:07:42,950 having to to run around and collect a group of people to come help 364 00:07:42,950 --> 00:07:42,960 collect a group of people to come help 365 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,230 collect a group of people to come help me solve the problems but 366 00:07:44,230 --> 00:07:44,240 me solve the problems but 367 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,390 me solve the problems but without fail it always seemed like the 368 00:07:46,390 --> 00:07:46,400 without fail it always seemed like the 369 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:47,830 without fail it always seemed like the bad things went wrong when he wasn't 370 00:07:47,830 --> 00:07:47,840 bad things went wrong when he wasn't 371 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,270 bad things went wrong when he wasn't here and i was so i wasn't sure if it 372 00:07:49,270 --> 00:07:49,280 here and i was so i wasn't sure if it 373 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,510 here and i was so i wasn't sure if it was my fault or someone else's but 374 00:07:51,510 --> 00:07:51,520 was my fault or someone else's but 375 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:52,629 was my fault or someone else's but it was pretty interesting it was a good 376 00:07:52,629 --> 00:07:52,639 it was pretty interesting it was a good 377 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:55,510 it was pretty interesting it was a good learning experience on the program 378 00:07:55,510 --> 00:07:55,520 learning experience on the program 379 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:56,710 learning experience on the program we've definitely had our trials and 380 00:07:56,710 --> 00:07:56,720 we've definitely had our trials and 381 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,629 we've definitely had our trials and tribulations building the hardware but 382 00:07:58,629 --> 00:07:58,639 tribulations building the hardware but 383 00:07:58,639 --> 00:07:59,670 tribulations building the hardware but we've made it through it and i think 384 00:07:59,670 --> 00:07:59,680 we've made it through it and i think 385 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,670 we've made it through it and i think we've made some of the best hardware the 386 00:08:01,670 --> 00:08:01,680 we've made some of the best hardware the 387 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:02,230 we've made some of the best hardware the programs 388 00:08:02,230 --> 00:08:02,240 programs 389 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:24,230 programs put out so 390 00:08:24,230 --> 00:08:24,240 391 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,790 i'm originally from the boston area and 392 00:08:26,790 --> 00:08:26,800 i'm originally from the boston area and 393 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:27,270 i'm originally from the boston area and i 394 00:08:27,270 --> 00:08:27,280 i 395 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,469 i um i originally thought that i'd like to 396 00:08:30,469 --> 00:08:30,479 um i originally thought that i'd like to 397 00:08:30,479 --> 00:08:31,909 um i originally thought that i'd like to have a career somewhere in the new 398 00:08:31,909 --> 00:08:31,919 have a career somewhere in the new 399 00:08:31,919 --> 00:08:33,029 have a career somewhere in the new england area and 400 00:08:33,029 --> 00:08:33,039 england area and 401 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:34,709 england area and i did get an opportunity to come out 402 00:08:34,709 --> 00:08:34,719 i did get an opportunity to come out 403 00:08:34,719 --> 00:08:37,430 i did get an opportunity to come out here and work for rocketdyne at the time 404 00:08:37,430 --> 00:08:37,440 here and work for rocketdyne at the time 405 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,509 here and work for rocketdyne at the time and i really thought that was going to 406 00:08:39,509 --> 00:08:39,519 and i really thought that was going to 407 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:41,909 and i really thought that was going to be a short part of my career is to come 408 00:08:41,909 --> 00:08:41,919 be a short part of my career is to come 409 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:44,550 be a short part of my career is to come out to california work 410 00:08:44,550 --> 00:08:44,560 out to california work 411 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:46,310 out to california work on what rocketdyne was working you know 412 00:08:46,310 --> 00:08:46,320 on what rocketdyne was working you know 413 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:47,829 on what rocketdyne was working you know the shuttle and so forth and space 414 00:08:47,829 --> 00:08:47,839 the shuttle and so forth and space 415 00:08:47,839 --> 00:08:49,829 the shuttle and so forth and space shuttle main engine for a year or so and 416 00:08:49,829 --> 00:08:49,839 shuttle main engine for a year or so and 417 00:08:49,839 --> 00:08:50,630 shuttle main engine for a year or so and then go back 418 00:08:50,630 --> 00:08:50,640 then go back 419 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,670 then go back and like i said that's over 30 years ago 420 00:08:53,670 --> 00:08:53,680 and like i said that's over 30 years ago 421 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:54,070 and like i said that's over 30 years ago and 422 00:08:54,070 --> 00:08:54,080 and 423 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,190 and it has just been a tremendous experience 424 00:08:57,190 --> 00:08:57,200 it has just been a tremendous experience 425 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,110 it has just been a tremendous experience and challenging experience that i enjoy 426 00:08:59,110 --> 00:08:59,120 and challenging experience that i enjoy 427 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,550 and challenging experience that i enjoy very much so 428 00:09:00,550 --> 00:09:00,560 very much so 429 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:02,389 very much so to answer your question it somewhat has 430 00:09:02,389 --> 00:09:02,399 to answer your question it somewhat has 431 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:03,990 to answer your question it somewhat has been serendipity how i 432 00:09:03,990 --> 00:09:04,000 been serendipity how i 433 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,310 been serendipity how i got into this career but it has been 434 00:09:06,310 --> 00:09:06,320 got into this career but it has been 435 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,070 got into this career but it has been very enjoyable and very exciting 436 00:09:08,070 --> 00:09:08,080 very enjoyable and very exciting 437 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,030 very enjoyable and very exciting and and like i said previously it's it's 438 00:09:11,030 --> 00:09:11,040 and and like i said previously it's it's 439 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,310 and and like i said previously it's it's the people 440 00:09:12,310 --> 00:09:12,320 the people 441 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,470 the people it's the challenge of the work it's the 442 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:14,480 it's the challenge of the work it's the 443 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,190 it's the challenge of the work it's the total team effort relative to not only 444 00:09:17,190 --> 00:09:17,200 total team effort relative to not only 445 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,910 total team effort relative to not only pwr working on a task but also with our 446 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:19,920 pwr working on a task but also with our 447 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,310 pwr working on a task but also with our customer our nasa customer 448 00:09:22,310 --> 00:09:22,320 customer our nasa customer 449 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,829 customer our nasa customer working to make something very 450 00:09:23,829 --> 00:09:23,839 working to make something very 451 00:09:23,839 --> 00:09:25,829 working to make something very challenging successful 452 00:09:25,829 --> 00:09:25,839 challenging successful 453 00:09:25,839 --> 00:09:27,910 challenging successful and advancing our presence in space and 454 00:09:27,910 --> 00:09:27,920 and advancing our presence in space and 455 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,110 and advancing our presence in space and our understanding 456 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:29,120 our understanding 457 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:50,389 our understanding of what space is about 458 00:09:50,389 --> 00:09:50,399 459 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:52,550 i had the opportunity to see in person 460 00:09:52,550 --> 00:09:52,560 i had the opportunity to see in person 461 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:54,550 i had the opportunity to see in person my first space shuttle launch 462 00:09:54,550 --> 00:09:54,560 my first space shuttle launch 463 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:58,870 my first space shuttle launch this was in 1994 in september sts 64. 464 00:09:58,870 --> 00:09:58,880 this was in 1994 in september sts 64. 465 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,550 this was in 1994 in september sts 64. and my daughter was only three so she 466 00:10:00,550 --> 00:10:00,560 and my daughter was only three so she 467 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:02,630 and my daughter was only three so she could not be in the 468 00:10:02,630 --> 00:10:02,640 could not be in the 469 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,870 could not be in the stands with me she had to be on the 470 00:10:04,870 --> 00:10:04,880 stands with me she had to be on the 471 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,550 stands with me she had to be on the causeway which is where the general 472 00:10:06,550 --> 00:10:06,560 causeway which is where the general 473 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:08,710 causeway which is where the general public can go to view the space shuttle 474 00:10:08,710 --> 00:10:08,720 public can go to view the space shuttle 475 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:09,990 public can go to view the space shuttle launch 476 00:10:09,990 --> 00:10:10,000 launch 477 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,710 launch so my husband took the short straw and 478 00:10:12,710 --> 00:10:12,720 so my husband took the short straw and 479 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,389 so my husband took the short straw and was with her on the causeway and my 480 00:10:14,389 --> 00:10:14,399 was with her on the causeway and my 481 00:10:14,399 --> 00:10:17,030 was with her on the causeway and my sister sat with me in the viewing stands 482 00:10:17,030 --> 00:10:17,040 sister sat with me in the viewing stands 483 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,150 sister sat with me in the viewing stands and back in those days 484 00:10:18,150 --> 00:10:18,160 and back in those days 485 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,069 and back in those days uh the launch window was much greater it 486 00:10:20,069 --> 00:10:20,079 uh the launch window was much greater it 487 00:10:20,079 --> 00:10:21,910 uh the launch window was much greater it was up to two and a half hours that we 488 00:10:21,910 --> 00:10:21,920 was up to two and a half hours that we 489 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,750 was up to two and a half hours that we could have a launch window 490 00:10:23,750 --> 00:10:23,760 could have a launch window 491 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,069 could have a launch window and as courses timing would have it we 492 00:10:26,069 --> 00:10:26,079 and as courses timing would have it we 493 00:10:26,079 --> 00:10:27,990 and as courses timing would have it we would wait the entire two hours 494 00:10:27,990 --> 00:10:28,000 would wait the entire two hours 495 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,590 would wait the entire two hours wondering are we actually going to be 496 00:10:29,590 --> 00:10:29,600 wondering are we actually going to be 497 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,750 wondering are we actually going to be able to launch the shuttle 498 00:10:31,750 --> 00:10:31,760 able to launch the shuttle 499 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,550 able to launch the shuttle and the worry was weather and the clouds 500 00:10:34,550 --> 00:10:34,560 and the worry was weather and the clouds 501 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:35,190 and the worry was weather and the clouds were heavy 502 00:10:35,190 --> 00:10:35,200 were heavy 503 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,630 were heavy and the tension was great at one point 504 00:10:38,630 --> 00:10:38,640 and the tension was great at one point 505 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,310 and the tension was great at one point i was looking at the countdown clock and 506 00:10:40,310 --> 00:10:40,320 i was looking at the countdown clock and 507 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,230 i was looking at the countdown clock and there was a soldier standing next to it 508 00:10:42,230 --> 00:10:42,240 there was a soldier standing next to it 509 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:43,670 there was a soldier standing next to it and it had been a long time and he'd 510 00:10:43,670 --> 00:10:43,680 and it had been a long time and he'd 511 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:45,590 and it had been a long time and he'd been standing there the whole time 512 00:10:45,590 --> 00:10:45,600 been standing there the whole time 513 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:46,949 been standing there the whole time and for whatever reason in the last 514 00:10:46,949 --> 00:10:46,959 and for whatever reason in the last 515 00:10:46,959 --> 00:10:48,790 and for whatever reason in the last moments he knelt on one knee 516 00:10:48,790 --> 00:10:48,800 moments he knelt on one knee 517 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,190 moments he knelt on one knee and sure enough within moments the 518 00:10:51,190 --> 00:10:51,200 and sure enough within moments the 519 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,350 and sure enough within moments the engines ignited the fire and the flames 520 00:10:53,350 --> 00:10:53,360 engines ignited the fire and the flames 521 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:54,790 engines ignited the fire and the flames you can see it it lights up the whole 522 00:10:54,790 --> 00:10:54,800 you can see it it lights up the whole 523 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,389 you can see it it lights up the whole sky and all the 524 00:10:56,389 --> 00:10:56,399 sky and all the 525 00:10:56,399 --> 00:11:00,310 sky and all the natural flying fish the alligators all 526 00:11:00,310 --> 00:11:00,320 natural flying fish the alligators all 527 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,630 natural flying fish the alligators all the birds everything comes it's amazing 528 00:11:02,630 --> 00:11:02,640 the birds everything comes it's amazing 529 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,069 the birds everything comes it's amazing how you see everybody reacting that 530 00:11:04,069 --> 00:11:04,079 how you see everybody reacting that 531 00:11:04,079 --> 00:11:05,110 how you see everybody reacting that people and all 532 00:11:05,110 --> 00:11:05,120 people and all 533 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,590 people and all and up it went and i i still remember it 534 00:11:07,590 --> 00:11:07,600 and up it went and i i still remember it 535 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:08,470 and up it went and i i still remember it vividly 536 00:11:08,470 --> 00:11:08,480 vividly 537 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,389 vividly and of course i had no idea what my 538 00:11:10,389 --> 00:11:10,399 and of course i had no idea what my 539 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:11,590 and of course i had no idea what my husband and my daughter were 540 00:11:11,590 --> 00:11:11,600 husband and my daughter were 541 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,509 husband and my daughter were experiencing they were quite 542 00:11:13,509 --> 00:11:13,519 experiencing they were quite 543 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:16,069 experiencing they were quite a distance from ourselves and we didn't 544 00:11:16,069 --> 00:11:16,079 a distance from ourselves and we didn't 545 00:11:16,079 --> 00:11:17,670 a distance from ourselves and we didn't have cell phones but then 546 00:11:17,670 --> 00:11:17,680 have cell phones but then 547 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:20,790 have cell phones but then so i had to wait until we re um you know 548 00:11:20,790 --> 00:11:20,800 so i had to wait until we re um you know 549 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:21,910 so i had to wait until we re um you know convene together 550 00:11:21,910 --> 00:11:21,920 convene together 551 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,069 convene together and she was so excited only three years 552 00:11:24,069 --> 00:11:24,079 and she was so excited only three years 553 00:11:24,079 --> 00:11:25,509 and she was so excited only three years old telling me 554 00:11:25,509 --> 00:11:25,519 old telling me 555 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:27,190 old telling me about what her experience had been as 556 00:11:27,190 --> 00:11:27,200 about what her experience had been as 557 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,829 about what her experience had been as well with so many of the 558 00:11:29,829 --> 00:11:29,839 well with so many of the 559 00:11:29,839 --> 00:11:32,630 well with so many of the visitors from all over the world but 560 00:11:32,630 --> 00:11:32,640 visitors from all over the world but 561 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,069 visitors from all over the world but also locally 562 00:11:34,069 --> 00:11:34,079 also locally 563 00:11:34,079 --> 00:11:36,389 also locally hundreds go on the causeway to see the 564 00:11:36,389 --> 00:11:36,399 hundreds go on the causeway to see the 565 00:11:36,399 --> 00:11:59,430 hundreds go on the causeway to see the launch and that's my fond memory 566 00:11:59,430 --> 00:11:59,440 567 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,110 one very uh memorable experience 568 00:12:03,110 --> 00:12:03,120 one very uh memorable experience 569 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,430 one very uh memorable experience this was a number of years ago and one 570 00:12:05,430 --> 00:12:05,440 this was a number of years ago and one 571 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,629 this was a number of years ago and one of my co-workers 572 00:12:06,629 --> 00:12:06,639 of my co-workers 573 00:12:06,639 --> 00:12:10,389 of my co-workers and i went to mountain home arkansas 574 00:12:10,389 --> 00:12:10,399 and i went to mountain home arkansas 575 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:12,550 and i went to mountain home arkansas trout fishing on the white river which 576 00:12:12,550 --> 00:12:12,560 trout fishing on the white river which 577 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:14,310 trout fishing on the white river which we used to go over there frequently 578 00:12:14,310 --> 00:12:14,320 we used to go over there frequently 579 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,790 we used to go over there frequently but we rode this particular time and it 580 00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:16,800 but we rode this particular time and it 581 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,030 but we rode this particular time and it happened to be 582 00:12:19,030 --> 00:12:19,040 happened to be 583 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,550 happened to be during the time when we were having a 584 00:12:20,550 --> 00:12:20,560 during the time when we were having a 585 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:23,750 during the time when we were having a launch so we finished fishing and 586 00:12:23,750 --> 00:12:23,760 launch so we finished fishing and 587 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,829 launch so we finished fishing and we went into town and of course mountain 588 00:12:25,829 --> 00:12:25,839 we went into town and of course mountain 589 00:12:25,839 --> 00:12:27,190 we went into town and of course mountain home arkansas 590 00:12:27,190 --> 00:12:27,200 home arkansas 591 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,629 home arkansas unless you're there for trout fishing 592 00:12:28,629 --> 00:12:28,639 unless you're there for trout fishing 593 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:30,230 unless you're there for trout fishing it's not exactly a 594 00:12:30,230 --> 00:12:30,240 it's not exactly a 595 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,470 it's not exactly a tourist hot spot so 596 00:12:34,470 --> 00:12:34,480 tourist hot spot so 597 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,670 tourist hot spot so we went into this little restaurant sort 598 00:12:37,670 --> 00:12:37,680 we went into this little restaurant sort 599 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:38,069 we went into this little restaurant sort of 600 00:12:38,069 --> 00:12:38,079 of 601 00:12:38,079 --> 00:12:42,069 of slash sports bar uh called the back 40. 602 00:12:42,069 --> 00:12:42,079 slash sports bar uh called the back 40. 603 00:12:42,079 --> 00:12:44,710 slash sports bar uh called the back 40. um of course there's tvs on the being a 604 00:12:44,710 --> 00:12:44,720 um of course there's tvs on the being a 605 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,550 um of course there's tvs on the being a sports bar there's tvs everywhere 606 00:12:46,550 --> 00:12:46,560 sports bar there's tvs everywhere 607 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:49,190 sports bar there's tvs everywhere and we said hey the shuttle's about to 608 00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:49,200 and we said hey the shuttle's about to 609 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:49,990 and we said hey the shuttle's about to launch uh 610 00:12:49,990 --> 00:12:50,000 launch uh 611 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,870 launch uh could we see it on the tv and we got 612 00:12:52,870 --> 00:12:52,880 could we see it on the tv and we got 613 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:53,990 could we see it on the tv and we got this 614 00:12:53,990 --> 00:12:54,000 this 615 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,350 this dumbfound look and we said 616 00:12:57,350 --> 00:12:57,360 dumbfound look and we said 617 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,389 dumbfound look and we said you know the space shuttle and we still 618 00:13:00,389 --> 00:13:00,399 you know the space shuttle and we still 619 00:13:00,399 --> 00:13:02,629 you know the space shuttle and we still got that same look like 620 00:13:02,629 --> 00:13:02,639 got that same look like 621 00:13:02,639 --> 00:13:04,389 got that same look like you ain't you ain't from around here are 622 00:13:04,389 --> 00:13:04,399 you ain't you ain't from around here are 623 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:06,150 you ain't you ain't from around here are you and so 624 00:13:06,150 --> 00:13:06,160 you and so 625 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,310 you and so uh we looked at each other and said well 626 00:13:08,310 --> 00:13:08,320 uh we looked at each other and said well 627 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:09,509 uh we looked at each other and said well obviously we're not in huntsville 628 00:13:09,509 --> 00:13:09,519 obviously we're not in huntsville 629 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:10,710 obviously we're not in huntsville anymore 630 00:13:10,710 --> 00:13:10,720 anymore 631 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,310 anymore and uh i probably should have asked the 632 00:13:14,310 --> 00:13:14,320 and uh i probably should have asked the 633 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:15,509 and uh i probably should have asked the guy 634 00:13:15,509 --> 00:13:15,519 guy 635 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:17,910 guy how the razorbacks were doing that year 636 00:13:17,910 --> 00:13:17,920 how the razorbacks were doing that year 637 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:18,949 how the razorbacks were doing that year and we probably would have gotten a 638 00:13:18,949 --> 00:13:18,959 and we probably would have gotten a 639 00:13:18,959 --> 00:13:20,949 and we probably would have gotten a response 640 00:13:20,949 --> 00:13:20,959 response 641 00:13:20,959 --> 00:13:32,829 response obviously we didn't have our priorities 642 00:13:32,829 --> 00:13:32,839 643 00:13:32,839 --> 00:13:44,069 right 644 00:13:44,069 --> 00:13:44,079 645 00:13:44,079 --> 00:13:45,710 i started working shuttle systems in 646 00:13:45,710 --> 00:13:45,720 i started working shuttle systems in 647 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,670 i started working shuttle systems in 1977 648 00:13:47,670 --> 00:13:47,680 1977 649 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:50,790 1977 and so you can 650 00:13:50,790 --> 00:13:50,800 and so you can 651 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,550 and so you can you can do the arithmetic there's no 652 00:13:52,550 --> 00:13:52,560 you can do the arithmetic there's no 653 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:54,629 you can do the arithmetic there's no math involved in that 654 00:13:54,629 --> 00:13:54,639 math involved in that 655 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:57,590 math involved in that but uh we've had a good time i was like 656 00:13:57,590 --> 00:13:57,600 but uh we've had a good time i was like 657 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:58,150 but uh we've had a good time i was like i say 658 00:13:58,150 --> 00:13:58,160 i say 659 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,629 i say the research the fun stage we broke a 660 00:14:00,629 --> 00:14:00,639 the research the fun stage we broke a 661 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:01,350 the research the fun stage we broke a few things 662 00:14:01,350 --> 00:14:01,360 few things 663 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:06,389 few things learned a lot uh put in 80 hours a week 664 00:14:06,389 --> 00:14:06,399 learned a lot uh put in 80 hours a week 665 00:14:06,399 --> 00:14:09,509 learned a lot uh put in 80 hours a week for months at a time and 666 00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:09,519 for months at a time and 667 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:11,990 for months at a time and when we would get a test off it was it 668 00:14:11,990 --> 00:14:12,000 when we would get a test off it was it 669 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,750 when we would get a test off it was it was a feeling of completion 670 00:14:13,750 --> 00:14:13,760 was a feeling of completion 671 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,829 was a feeling of completion you did something and 672 00:14:17,829 --> 00:14:17,839 you did something and 673 00:14:17,839 --> 00:14:19,590 you did something and i like to have that feeling when i when 674 00:14:19,590 --> 00:14:19,600 i like to have that feeling when i when 675 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,189 i like to have that feeling when i when i leave here i like to have that feeling 676 00:14:21,189 --> 00:14:21,199 i leave here i like to have that feeling 677 00:14:21,199 --> 00:14:22,470 i leave here i like to have that feeling every day 678 00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:22,480 every day 679 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,509 every day that i've accomplished something and 680 00:14:25,509 --> 00:14:25,519 that i've accomplished something and 681 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:29,110 that i've accomplished something and with the team that we have now 682 00:14:29,110 --> 00:14:29,120 683 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:53,750 we can 684 00:14:53,750 --> 00:14:53,760 685 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,470 you know some people uh worry about what 686 00:14:56,470 --> 00:14:56,480 you know some people uh worry about what 687 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:57,350 you know some people uh worry about what we're going to do 688 00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:57,360 we're going to do 689 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,670 we're going to do after the end of the shuttle program and 690 00:14:59,670 --> 00:14:59,680 after the end of the shuttle program and 691 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,670 after the end of the shuttle program and we had a meeting last week with the 692 00:15:01,670 --> 00:15:01,680 we had a meeting last week with the 693 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,230 we had a meeting last week with the deputy program manager for constellation 694 00:15:04,230 --> 00:15:04,240 deputy program manager for constellation 695 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:05,030 deputy program manager for constellation and 696 00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:05,040 and 697 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,590 and there's just so many exciting things on 698 00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:07,600 there's just so many exciting things on 699 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,910 there's just so many exciting things on the horizon for the people 700 00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:09,920 the horizon for the people 701 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,389 the horizon for the people in the liquid propulsion world the j2 702 00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:12,399 in the liquid propulsion world the j2 703 00:15:12,399 --> 00:15:14,949 in the liquid propulsion world the j2 programs out there the rs68 704 00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:14,959 programs out there the rs68 705 00:15:14,959 --> 00:15:16,710 programs out there the rs68 all the new missions are coming up with 706 00:15:16,710 --> 00:15:16,720 all the new missions are coming up with 707 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,430 all the new missions are coming up with pwr engines on them and even engines 708 00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:19,440 pwr engines on them and even engines 709 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:20,870 pwr engines on them and even engines that we haven't built yet 710 00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:20,880 that we haven't built yet 711 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,389 that we haven't built yet so just to be a part of this you're sad 712 00:15:24,389 --> 00:15:24,399 so just to be a part of this you're sad 713 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:26,790 so just to be a part of this you're sad that shuttle's going away but the new 714 00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:26,800 that shuttle's going away but the new 715 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,629 that shuttle's going away but the new programs are going to come on 716 00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:28,639 programs are going to come on 717 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:31,269 programs are going to come on quick and really i think there'll be 718 00:15:31,269 --> 00:15:31,279 quick and really i think there'll be 719 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:33,350 quick and really i think there'll be very little transition or we'll 720 00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:33,360 very little transition or we'll 721 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:53,990 very little transition or we'll we won't even notice it 722 00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:54,000 723 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,949 growing up in the valley as a young boy 724 00:15:56,949 --> 00:15:56,959 growing up in the valley as a young boy 725 00:15:56,959 --> 00:15:58,389 growing up in the valley as a young boy i was able to look up at the santa 726 00:15:58,389 --> 00:15:58,399 i was able to look up at the santa 727 00:15:58,399 --> 00:15:59,030 i was able to look up at the santa susana 728 00:15:59,030 --> 00:15:59,040 susana 729 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,910 susana and see it light up at night and my 730 00:16:01,910 --> 00:16:01,920 and see it light up at night and my 731 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:02,870 and see it light up at night and my father became 732 00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:02,880 father became 733 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,910 father became an employee of rocketdyne 40 years ago 734 00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:05,920 an employee of rocketdyne 40 years ago 735 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,749 an employee of rocketdyne 40 years ago and so that was a big 736 00:16:07,749 --> 00:16:07,759 and so that was a big 737 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:09,590 and so that was a big big push for me to want to get in and be 738 00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:09,600 big push for me to want to get in and be 739 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:10,870 big push for me to want to get in and be following my father's 740 00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:10,880 following my father's 741 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,470 following my father's footsteps so when i got hiring into 742 00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:12,480 footsteps so when i got hiring into 743 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,829 footsteps so when i got hiring into rocketdyne that was that was 744 00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:15,839 rocketdyne that was that was 745 00:16:15,839 --> 00:16:17,430 rocketdyne that was that was pretty amazing for me that that i'm 746 00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:17,440 pretty amazing for me that that i'm 747 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,749 pretty amazing for me that that i'm following in my father's footsteps 748 00:16:19,749 --> 00:16:19,759 following in my father's footsteps 749 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:22,310 following in my father's footsteps and as far as the shuttle itself i don't 750 00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:22,320 and as far as the shuttle itself i don't 751 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,629 and as far as the shuttle itself i don't mean to be cliche but 752 00:16:24,629 --> 00:16:24,639 mean to be cliche but 753 00:16:24,639 --> 00:16:25,990 mean to be cliche but when i finally went and watched the 754 00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:26,000 when i finally went and watched the 755 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,150 when i finally went and watched the shuttle fly it was just amazing and i 756 00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:28,160 shuttle fly it was just amazing and i 757 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:29,269 shuttle fly it was just amazing and i just didn't 758 00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:29,279 just didn't 759 00:16:29,279 --> 00:16:31,670 just didn't really understand the power and the 760 00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:31,680 really understand the power and the 761 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:32,470 really understand the power and the uniqueness 762 00:16:32,470 --> 00:16:32,480 uniqueness 763 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,670 uniqueness and how scary it is to watch that fly 764 00:16:35,670 --> 00:16:35,680 and how scary it is to watch that fly 765 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,670 and how scary it is to watch that fly and once i got to see that i'll never 766 00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:37,680 and once i got to see that i'll never 767 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,110 and once i got to see that i'll never forget it 768 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:39,120 forget it 769 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,509 forget it i've always known working on the shuttle 770 00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:41,519 i've always known working on the shuttle 771 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:43,189 i've always known working on the shuttle program that that was something great 772 00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:43,199 program that that was something great 773 00:16:43,199 --> 00:16:44,629 program that that was something great and i've always been proud to tell 774 00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:44,639 and i've always been proud to tell 775 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:46,550 and i've always been proud to tell people i meet hey i work on the shuttle 776 00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:46,560 people i meet hey i work on the shuttle 777 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:47,590 people i meet hey i work on the shuttle program 778 00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:47,600 program 779 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,269 program not many people really get to say that 780 00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:49,279 not many people really get to say that 781 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:50,870 not many people really get to say that we're a handful of people out in this 782 00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:50,880 we're a handful of people out in this 783 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,710 we're a handful of people out in this world that get to say that 784 00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:52,720 world that get to say that 785 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,910 world that get to say that and i've always been proud but watching 786 00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:55,920 and i've always been proud but watching 787 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,509 and i've always been proud but watching the shuttle fly 788 00:16:57,509 --> 00:16:57,519 the shuttle fly 789 00:16:57,519 --> 00:17:12,390 the shuttle fly just solidified it 790 00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:12,400 791 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,480 you